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CeltiberoLerend wrote:

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Hi Indigo,

before we begin to talk about negotiations i´d like to ask Admins if still exists the appendix rule of "any Clan can´t get a default twice within the same Contest", cos´ if this fair rule still works and i´m not wrong there would be only 2 Clans which hadn´t enjoyed that situation atm, Imperial and Celtis. Everybody else already did. So, what must we do?

Cya.

No, never had a rule like that (I don't think so anyway). Advancing by default of the other Team is involuntary and can happen to anyone, even multiple times through no fault of their own.

There is an unwritten standard that a Team can only be advanced one time in Match selection, as that is something that can be controlled (the name drawn is held, and the next name draw is applied in their place).

To my immediate memory, Devoti Custodes in the Second Round Naval Contest, and Clan LONG II and XXI RAPAX in this Round's Contests, are the only Teams advanced so far in this Competition.

Ok, I see.

According to the order of the draw;

1. Celtiberos
2. IMPERIAL II
3. Hermandad de la Guardia
4. IMPERIAL
5. XXI RAPAX

RAPAX is the odd Team, but because they were advanced before (previous default) the draw returns to the top, and Celtiberos then would be the advanced Team, and RAPAX would take their place.

Is this correct?

RAPAX is the odd Team, but because they were advanced before (previous default) the draw returns to the top, and Celtiberos then would be the advanced Team, and RAPAX would take their place.

I was just cutting to the chase (end scene).

The rule was originally intended to refer to Match Assignment selection advancements, but I now seem to recall that there was another dual default advancement that it was applied to, or at least where the argument was raised, and the Matching was modified to rectify the situation. But never before were the two different advancements considered cumulative (added together), most likely because the situation had not occurred. They should be, and will be, using the same skip method as same-Clan draw bypass outlined above.

If there are no objections, the correction will be issued this evening, with this Match changed to XXI RAPAX vs. IMPERIAL II, and with Celtiberos on the bench (advanced to the next Round).

*bows*

I already have an objection myself, and that is the first observation.

Advancing by default of the other Team is involuntary and can happen to anyone, even multiple times through no fault of their own.

You can not correct for a default-advancement with a selection-advancement unless you can always do it, and you can't. It is possible for a Team to have a succession of defaults where there is no imbalance in matching to correct the accumulation of advancements.

The only time that there was a default-advancement correction, it was an order of a three-way Match rearrangement, having nothing to do with selection-advancements to the next Round (I remember now).

So we will not mix the two, and the Match scheduled will remain as is.

Again Good Luck All!

I'm sorry Lerend, but what defaults are you talking about?

The default-advancements in this contest so far are as follows:

USSR
USSR II
DC
SB II
HG twice
RTK
Aggony
Arcani II
BS
RAPAX

And the selection process is sacred, the only time there would ever be deviation from the draw, would be to bypass a same-Clan Match, which is in the rules, but has not ever happened yet.

If we were to compensate as I had outlined above, what happens if in the next Round the compensated Team (yours) would through no fault of their own, be defaulted on? Then where is the justice for the Team that was taken out of legitimate selection-advancement according to the rules?

What if the Team taken out of legitimate selection-advancement for having legitimate default-advancement(s), goes to play in this Round and is defaulted on again?

I hope you see that this impossible to use selection-advancement to compensate for default-advancement(s). I will not work, and will not be used.

For the record:

In the Royal Crown Competition, in the First week we had three Team no-shows.

This required a redraw of those left behind, and XXI RAPAX II was one of those.

So in effect they were advanced from the First Week to the Restart of the First Round.

This was technical default- advancement.

(I say "technical" because the advance was from First Round to First Round.)

Then in the redraw XXI RAPAX II was selected odd Team out, and selection-advanced to the Second Round.

(Unavoidable that one of the three defaulted Teams would have to be odd out.)

This was a selection- advancement.

They played and won in the Second Round, and in the Third Round were originally selected as odd Team out a second time.

This would have been a second selection-advancement.

Raiola posted the objection, the draw with correction of the violation was reposted, with Celtiberos I switching positions for the odd draw advancement.

This had nothing to do with the first default-advancement, the draw correction was the result of two selection-advancements of the same Team.

Just to share my personal point of view:

True, in the end, the remaining team will be called a champion, no matter how they get to that point.

Unfortunately some teams do not get the chance to prove their skills at every level on the way up.

They can be deprived of an opponent by forfeit, default, or uneven matching.

I do not see this as an advantage, as every match they do not actually get the opportunity to fight and win, lessens their sense of accomplishment.

And should they succeed in the overall contest without significant accomplishments, their unearned victories will ring hollow in everyone's ears.

There is no real advantage to advancement, except by winning…

*bows*

The unwritten advancement rule:

"Teams left without opponents in matching will be advanced to the next Round. This will only be applied to a Team once in a given contest."

This rule was left currently unwritten to minimize the rule set, as this function of management that is rarely applied, but always duly noted on application to a Battle Assignments at posting.

Match default and withdrawal forfeit situations have nothing to do with the above rule, as they can happen to any Team, at any time, during any contest, through no choice or fault of their own.