Default vs. Selection Advancement

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Shurikenjitsu) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:51:36 GMT

Yes,

That will be Excellent!!

RAPAX Brutus

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (CeltiberoLerend) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:58:46 GMT

Great initiative!

Hope most of the Clans decide to contribute creative ideas to improve as far as we can this superb Tourney.

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Tomi says) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:15:25 GMT

I have been thinking very much now about a qualifying preliminary rally, followed by a round robin most wins separator, with a final playoff eliminator.

This three stage approach will create a definitive best of the best, of the best of the best, competition, and will remove many of the current hurdles to our enjoyment of these contests.

Collecting rules now of what has been, and what is currently working in our community. And will shortly be asking for contributions from...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (CeltiberoLerend) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:37:13 GMT

No, no Brutus, my point is that every Clan should have the same chances to get an advance without playing. There is nothing more fair than that imo.

As i said before we accepted Tomi´s decision and will play against IMP, so there is no problem with this now but what i´d like is a system more fair for future contests, nothing more.

As for your example, i think is not reasonable cos´ why having a pass in the semifinal is way bigger advantage than having it 1 or 2 rounds...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Shurikenjitsu) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:39:11 GMT

Lerend,

Your point is that a team that had a default advancement must be penalized, being excluded by the chance of a technical advancement that is given to anyone, and you believe this would be fair. I believe it is not.
To give an example as now, you will get a technical advance in the semifinal, because we had a default 2 rounds before. I believe to have a pass in the semifinal is way bigger advantage, than having a default 2 rounds before that. That's why that chance...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (CeltiberoLerend) — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:06:03 GMT

Hello Brutus,

It´s not a matter about punishment but a bonus one. I don´t understand your point and don´t know which is bigger advantage you talk when in practice both systems mean the same thing "advancing without playing/problems".

When you say that, i suppose you would believe fair also if a team moved forward 3 rounds due 2 consecutive defaults and 1 final technical...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Shurikenjitsu) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:29:25 GMT

Hello Lerend,

Just 2 things:

1> If my team have to lose by default of an opponent, an because of this cannot get the chance to get a tecnichal advance the round after, this I will call it unfair. Since is way more bigger the advantage that your team will have then the advantage my team had. By the way all the tournaments I have seen and partecipated (Totalwar or not), never penalized a player/team because having a default by opponents.

2>If you really want...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (CeltiberoLerend) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:21:33 GMT

The most difficult thing having to play every round isn´t winning or losing, but negotiating rules, a date, which everybody agree on, crossing fingers hoping no lag, no drops and no big problems arise, and if for some reasons you can´t finish the round in that date, get lucky and hoping all those factors work again as expected before the deadline arrives. This is really the hard work and which make you feel well also after wining a round imho.

I´ve explained what i´m asking for over...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Tomi says) — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:55:20 GMT

Just to share my personal point of view:

True, in the end, the remaining team will be called a champion, no matter how they get to that point.

Unfortunately some teams do not get the chance to prove their skills at every level on the way up.

They can be deprived of an opponent by forfeit, default, or uneven matching.

I do not see this as an advantage, as every match they do not actually get the opportunity to fight and win, lessens their sense of...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (CeltiberoLerend) — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:45:32 GMT

Maybe you haven´t understood what i said in last post Tomi.

I believe is clear enough what i´m saying with this:

"the problem shouldn´t arise when a Clan advances due consecutive defaults from its oponents (something involuntary and uncontrolled at all) but when a Clan advances next round with...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Tomi says) — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:28:11 GMT

For the record:

In the Royal Crown Competition, in the First week we had three Team no-shows.

This required a redraw of those left behind, and XXI RAPAX II was one of those.

So in effect they were advanced from the First Week to the Restart of the First Round.

This was technical default- advancement.

(I say "technical" because the advance was from First Round to First Round.)

Then in the redraw XXI RAPAX II was selected...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Tomi says) — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:21:39 GMT

XXIRAPAXCaius wrote:
Sorry for the silence mates, but the only qulified Rapax that can express also our opinion on this matter (if necessary) is "Brutus" (already informed), they coming back sunday evening from a few days of vacation where he can't use the computer.
sorry for my bad english....

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Tomi says) — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:22:11 GMT

I'm sorry Lerend, but what defaults are you talking about?

The default-advancements in this contest so far are as follows:

USSR
USSR II
DC
SB II
HG twice
RTK
Aggony
Arcani II
BS
RAPAX

And the selection process is sacred, the only time there would ever be deviation from the draw, would be to bypass a same-Clan Match, which is in the rules, but has not ever happened yet.

If we were to compensate as I had...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (CeltiberoLerend) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:00:58 GMT

With all respects Tomi,

the problem shouldn´t arise when a Clan advances due consecutive defaults from its oponents (something involuntary and uncontrolled at all) but when a Clan advances next round with selection-advancements (controlled) system after had already enjoyed 1, 2 or 3 advances due default.

This last case was what happened last year (yourself considered it unfair) and what is happening now again, something seems unfair to me not for us...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Tomi says) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:26:29 GMT

I already have an objection myself, and that is the first observation.

Advancing by default of the other Team is involuntary and can happen to anyone, even multiple times through no fault of their own.

You can not correct for a default-advancement with a selection-advancement unless you can always do it, and you can't. It is possible for a Team to have a succession of defaults where there is no imbalance in matching to correct the...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (INDIGO KNIAZ) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:05:12 GMT

Hola Lerend.
I think we can play on next week.

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Tomi says) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:03:43 GMT

RAPAX is the odd Team, but because they were advanced before (previous default) the draw returns to the top, and Celtiberos then would be the advanced Team, and RAPAX would take their place.

I was just cutting to the chase (end scene).

The rule was originally intended to refer to Match Assignment selection advancements, but I now seem to recall that there was another dual default advancement that it was applied to, or at least...

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (CeltiberoLerend) — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:39:28 GMT

Well,

i´m just an emissary Tomi and don´t know the way you take that kind of decisions.
To my understanding i must to represent as fairly as can the interests of my Clan, that´s all. Imho my job finishes there Tomi.

Cya.

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Tomi says) — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:37:51 GMT

Ok, I see.

According to the order of the draw;

1. Celtiberos
2. IMPERIAL II
3. Hermandad de la Guardia
4. IMPERIAL
5. XXI RAPAX

RAPAX is the odd Team, but because they were advanced before (previous default) the draw returns to the top, and Celtiberos then would be the advanced Team, and RAPAX would take their place.

Is this correct?

Re: Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (CeltiberoLerend) — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:19:38 GMT

Hi Tomi,

Well, i explained myself badly what i meant due my bad translation of default´s word meaning.

What i meant is what i understood based on past experiences, this is, a team can´t advance without playing 2 times within the same contest if exists another team/s which hadn´t enjoyed that situation yet (advance a round without playing).

Correct me if i´m wrong Tomi but i think we get the closer evidence of this matter past year in "Royal...

Default vs. Selection Advancement

feeds@yuku.com (Tomi says) — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:17:49 GMT

Copied from Celtiberos vs. IMPERIAL II.